Missing from Bars, Taverns, Clubs

[Sarah Kinison]

I hear a lot about people last seen leaving bars, clubs, and taverns. What can be done to up the security? Are they required to have security cameras in parking lots, etc? It might be a good idea to make copy of everyone's ID or something when they come through the front door.  Just wonderin.....

[Jennifer Harnett]

I know that the bar that my son went missing from did have security cameras in the parking lot.   However they did not work and there were no cameras facing the exit or the parking area directly outside the bar.  When we asked the question about security cameras we were told that they were not required to have them let alone fix them. 

The bar that my son went missing from we have since found out that they have some under the table illegal activity going on and some rough, seedy clientel, and I am sure that this is not the bar that has this type of reputation.  So I am not sure how willing bars are going to ethically do the right thing their own.

When we went to question the bar tender and owner they were first acted as if they did not even know if was there (and this is very small place) until we told we had proof from the bank.  So I agree this is something that should be done but I do not think they will do it on there own.   

[Maureen Reintjes-Peace4 Admin]

Jennifer,

 

That bar is at the Great Mall....did you talk to the Mall or check into what the Mall's responsibility would be to keeping people safe on their property?

 

Maureen

[Jennifer Harnett]

Unfortunatly it was mall security that told us this.  The bar it's self was very uncoperative with any information.  I'm not sure what if any laws there actually regarding security and security cameras, but that would be very interesting to know.

[Maureen Reintjes-Peace4 Admin]

Message Greg Smith.  He's a member on here but probably would be better to get a hold of him on Facebook.  Greg was law enforcement, teacher and now a politician and after what they went through when his daugther, Kelsey, was abducted and murdered, my guess is he'll know that answer.

[Jesse 'Opie' Ross]

Needs to be a handbook for barhopping.  Don't go alone.  Don't leave your group.  partner up.  Can't depend on bar owners to take accountability for all their patrons. Maybe they should, but they probably won't.  Especially young women alone should not be out, in some of these areas.  And there must be accountability, do not drink to the point that you can not take care of yourself.  Life is dangerous especially around the clubs and bars, and we have use our heads.  Bars are not really the place to meet new friends.  Want to get to know someone, make it on your terms. Do not put yourself at risk.  We are our own security. 

[Cynthia Caron]

I couldn't have said it better.

[Maureen Reintjes-Peace4 Admin]

Good advice but a mall and a bar even if it is not dictated by law to have cameras and security what place doesn't have those things in place simply to protect them from liability?  This is a huge mall where the bar was located in one of the wealthiest counties in the nation, Johnson County, KS ..... the people of my community would expect those things to be in place.   When Kelsey was abducted from the Target in this same county but across from another mall, Target had the video in no time on what happened to Kelsey.  Apparently Target has one hell of a crime lab of their own!

 

Jennifer who owns that bar...do you know?  Maybe I need to throw some weight in on this one and see if they will cough up answers for me.

[Jennifer Harnett]

I am not sure who owns the mall I am not sure if you have been there in a while but it is half empty i am sure that they are not remaining extremley profitable.  We dealy with Allied Security who is in charge of there security.  However it is one of many places they take care of though, so they are not there all the time.  However it would make sense that they would be there as a sketchy bar is closing.  I know though that when John went to ask questions in there escorted by Olathe PD (at my demand) he said there were no security cars any where around, and we already know the cameras don't work.

[Maureen Reintjes-Peace4 Admin]

I've only been there 2 or 3 times and that was around the time it opened.  Pass by it all the time as my daughter and her husband have a home off of 159th St.

[Kool Breeze]

Maybe if we could start a list of places that don't have cameras & security for their customers as a warning?? Yes that would be a big list but it might force business owners to take responsibility for their customers.

Frankly if they have them should HAVE to be working because it is a false security..

Peopl need to buddy up these days sadly this is what it has come to and I am afraid it is only going to get worse because LE are just too quick to write people, off they are actually making people more of a target because perps know what the odd are they will do just that..  we have an epedemic and only a handful are even paying attention to this problem.

[Jennifer Harnett]

Maybe some knows the answer to this with out me having to look it up- wasn''t there a documentary about Walmart stores and violence that has happened outside of them.  It showed that Walmart stores did not and has refused to put security cameras in there parking lots? 

[Lisa DeSherlia]

I have loved ones who frequent these places and I would hope that these bars and nightclubs would have security systems in place to keep their patrons safe. In the kind of world we live in today we need tight security everywhere. Sad.