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Comment by Larry B. Simpson on February 2, 2009 at 10:39am

Jan I looked at your URLand see where you met with Mr. Stein and he agreed to return to Congress and begin crafting a bill that would mandate that all medical examiners and coroners upload DNA samples from the remains of the unidentified dead into a new national DNA data bank called NAMUS.

You are an amazing woman and we want to help you in all your efforts.

Comment by Larry B. Simpson on February 2, 2009 at 10:17am

Jan can you give us a little more info on what exactly is being done? Is it a bill? I assume because it is being brought before congress. Do you have a specific request you would like us to make on your behalf?

Here is a link where I believe this has been discussed on Peace4
MODEL STATE MISSING PERSONS STATUTE

Mr. Todd Stein (Senator Lieberman's Legislative Director and council member from DC) (202-224-2627) Click here for Lieberman contact Info

Comment by Larry B. Simpson on February 2, 2009 at 9:50am

Below is a great How to Manual by NCADV it explains the legislative process and gives sample letters as well as links in all states.
How to Lobby Manual

Comment by Jan Smolinski on February 2, 2009 at 9:24am

I would also like to mention the process for legislation is a long road. Achieving point in the legislative process for a National proctocol regarding the missing and unidentified has taken almost two years of careful research, conversing by email and phone with Mr. Todd Stein (Senator Lieberman's council member from DC) and finally a visit to our home from Mr Stein who traveled from the Senator's DC office last summer. The decision was finally made to move forward joining forces with Congressman Murphy's office in DC.
Mr. Stein met with various members of the government to get their opinion and listen to opposition. They finally met terms not imposing on privacy issues which was one of the major concerns along with other issues which finally came to agreement.

The process is on going, contacting your Federal Legislators and sending correspondence from other states to Senator Lieberman's office in DC could possibly hasten efforts since his lawyer is carefully writng what will eventually be brought before Congress.

Comment by Jan Smolinski on February 2, 2009 at 8:23am

There are some awesome suggestions mentioned, the scanning of vehicles trunks as mentioned by Larry used in the Caylee Case should be used if felt necessary as protocol after carefully evaluating each missing person case when it is reported.

Unfortunately there are thousands of families looking for answers and only high profile cases such as Caylee's, the latest technologies was used. Why not on other cases?
Dumps and garbage trucks is a sad reality how criminals dispose of people.
You are right, it is so hard to grasp, these monsters imprisoned or out on the streets not caught yet would go to any extreme to dispose of a body.
Cadaver dogs utilized in the searches are the least expensive way to seach but beneficial.

The sad reality and I never even thought of this until a police officer mentioned in conversation with me the other day, prisoners are in jail reading and researching on the internet. they have full access and only have one thing on their mind THEMSELVES. When they have served their time and released the knowledge they gain from reading forums and blogs. we are using for good, they are using for bad. Television is also a way to plant ideas in threir heads.
I watched Tru TV one day for five minutes, in that time frame, if I were a murderer, I would learned how to kill someone and dispose of their body.

The criminal is learning how to out smart law enforcement in many cases.
The good ole' boy police officer going out in the street investigations can be enhanced by learning how to enter cases in th NamUs database.
There are Law enforcement confused about NamUs, NCIC, CODIS, IAFIS and VICAP. Many never even heard of the databases.
Don't you think they need to start at the basics and expand from there?

The technology is absoluted available but how do you get these very points across to the authorities when they are not even trained well enough to collect DNA properly and enter it into CODIS?
I have been talking with government officials and I was told there are 18,000 police departments in the United States. Some of the states do not send the officers to the Police Academy. A badge is slapt on their uniform and sent off to the streets. How do you combat a situation like that?

Sharon you also made some good points.
I am glad we are here to brainstorm you never know who is reading the comments made during the discussions.
To date Senator Lieberman's office and Congressman Murphy's office have joined hands, the Senator's lawyer is in the process of researching and writing so it could be presented before Congress soon.
This is just the beginning. National laws are hard becasue of the various police departments and degrees of expertise, but not impossible.

It is going to take time but there is enough of us throughout the country to properly present issues and matters of extreme concern.
This is a only beginning. Perserverance, Faith and always hope.

Comment by Beth Profeta on February 1, 2009 at 8:14pm

Together, WE can all make a difference,,,I just dont quite know how, So let me know what to do and I'll do my best on my end - I am reporting for duty !

Comment by Larry B. Simpson on February 1, 2009 at 3:07pm

Remember the air testing done in the Caylee Anthony case? Forensic experts at the University of Tennessee’s Anthropology Research Facility — known on campus as the “body farm.” Air samples from the car’s trunk were tested. The tests could prove whether a body was ever in the trunk for an extended period of time. Experts at the body farm know how to test for chemicals released by a decomposing body. Could this testing be developed into a sensor of some sort? Or a scanning device be developed like at the airport?

Comment by Jake on February 1, 2009 at 2:47pm

Hey Larry, I think this is a good idea. I bet they could find a way to scan the trucks before they are dumped. Scan for the shape of a human. Scanning for a scent may be hard considering the environment, but cadaver dogs would most likely be able to make a hit if there is not too many other smells to differentiate. I think that they could definitely devise something. Taking away options from the deviant will make it much harder to get away with the crime.

Comment by Larry B. Simpson on February 1, 2009 at 2:28pm

Has anyone looked at statistics on how most murderers dispose of their victims? I would guess putting into the garbage dump, water, etc. Could a sensor be put into garbage trucks similar to how they did the testing on the air samples of Caylee Anthony, which would alert police prior to bodies being taken to the dump? If we could make it more difficult for them to dispose of their victim's it could act as a deterrent. I agree with Sharon can we ask a profiler or someone who works in this area if this is possible?

Comment by Sharon Garry on February 1, 2009 at 11:57am

Please research and post statistics of the ever increasing missing person cases in our country which is the number ONE reason that we NEED new legislation in how these cases are handled, investigated and prosecuted!!! The very reason for the increase is because perpetrators of child abuse, domestic abuse and violent crimes have discovered that they can get away with committing a violent crime if they (I am very sorry to be so graphic) murder and dispose of thier victims!!! Yes, advocates against domestic violence and child abuse did an excellent job! Laws were changed and for a while, people had better protection, and criminals who hurt women and children were going to jail! Now they have come to realize that they cant get away with merely hurting, maiming women, destroying the spirit of a child...now they are killing them and disposing of thier bodies in hopes that law enforcement remains ill equipt to solve crimes such as these for as long as possible! We cannot let them get away with it! Law enforcement has got to step up! We need Task Forces with specialists, trained search crews and new laws that assist in the investigations, the searches, the questioning, every facet of finding out what has happened to the missing person until the person responsible is where he belongs! On DEATH ROW!!! Funding is going to be the BIGGEST issue right now, so it may take some volunteers to step forward and offer thier services at first in order to make this happen. We all know there are many of very experienced, successful people in the field who can fit the bill! Step up everybody! Lets stop these cruel, evil criminals NOW!

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